I just don’t like paleness (my own paleness) unless it’s perfect English rose maid marrian cream. I don’t think it’s an English thing though, it’s a paleness thing. Pale fat hairy European men are in a league of their own in terms of the eugh! factor. I think you’re tanned enough Dodman: Liv and I are the ones who have to be careful not to get too fat, hairy and pale. Tan and Jul have foreign type skin anyway. Grrr…